DanielO's Honda Elite Sprint/Drag Scooter!

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DanielO's Honda Elite Sprint/Drag Scooter!

Postby Areomyst » Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:20 pm

A scooter buddy (Daniel O.) local to me does all his own work. He bought a Honda Elite off of Ebay for cheap. The other day he wanted to swing by and use my leak-down tester... I was quite surprised at his engine, and asked if I could take a photo of his work. He's done a really nice job with it. I believe it's an 80cc setup with Naraku top-end and one of the stroker cranks that Autotech sells on ebay.

He did all his own work - ported the cases, mapped the cylinder, did some engine discovery... then powdercoated a bunch of stuff and made it all super nice, and he even turned his own oil pump blockoff on the lathe.

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I've got more photos on the SD card - he brought it by today and let me hear the thing run. :) The above photos are shared with his permission.

Way to go dude!

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Postby Areomyst » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:10 pm

A few more photos. The engine sounds awesome, and I'm looking forward to the final result:

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A salvaged Leo Vince exhaust from another engine, Daniel re-welded it to fit this engine, and used information from Jenning's book to keep it "in tune" with his engine.

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Note the powdercoated wheels.

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Postby Timmy » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:41 pm

Areomyst wrote:A few more photos. The engine sounds awesome, and I'm looking forward to the final result:

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A salvaged Leo Vince exhaust from another engine, Daniel re-welded it to fit this engine, and used information from Jenning's book to keep it "in tune" with his engine.

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Note the powdercoated wheels.

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Nice Elite those wheels stand out and the engine work too!
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Postby Areomyst » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:13 am

Timmy wrote:
Nice Elite those wheels stand out and the engine work too!


I'm sure Daniel will appreciate the comments! He sure worked hard on this engine. He sent me an e-mail a while back... he rides motorcycles and such, and when he finally got a chance to ride his scooter, he was shocked at the power! I always think it's fun to hear of someone starting to really get the scooter tuning bug. :)

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Postby Areomyst » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:17 pm

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Daniel O. Spent some time recently getting things dialed in. This little scooter is looking very promising! A lot of hard work, research, and tuning is going into this scooter, and the owner is doing it all himself. I'm looking forward to the results! Daniel has built his own custom exhaust, and has modified it some to better suit his needs. More to come in the future, I don't doubt.
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Postby scootertrog » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:15 am

Tastefully-done on that engine! :D

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Postby waxhead » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:21 pm

Good looking little engine. How much did it make on your dyno Josh
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Postby mikal » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:22 pm

That is 1 awesome little scooter.
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Postby Areomyst » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:46 am

waxhead wrote:Good looking little engine. How much did it make on your dyno Josh

I don't remember exactly - I'd have to go look at the dyno computer. I believe it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 7.75HP.
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Daniel's new setup in the CVT: Oversized vario, Stage 6 R/T clutch, NCY torque drive pulley, etc.

These photos were taken during our night of tuning last week while my wife was out camping with the kids. We had a nice time, and I think we all made improvements on out engines! Daniel does all his own work, and has the engine pretty well blueprinted. I believe he's going to pull it back apart sooner than later to do some porting to the cylinder.

Daniel's needing some upgears now though, as he's running out of gear before the end of the track. At our last track day, he was killing me off the line! Time for me to go fix up my own CVT some huh? It's good, enjoyable and friendly competition.

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Postby Enviromoto » Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:24 am

That CVT setup is amazing. Since he was running out of gear did you get close to catching him on the big end of the track?

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Postby Areomyst » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:15 am

Enviromoto wrote:That CVT setup is amazing. Since he was running out of gear did you get close to catching him on the big end of the track?

I'd have to look at the time slips to tell you exactly when I passed, but yes I could pull ahead pretty consistently. My engine makes more power and is a couple seconds faster, but this little Honda is catching up. :) Daniel's doing a freaking awesome job.

Would you like to know the kicker? This is the first 2-stroke that he's tuned! It's awesome.

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Postby SLOWRIDER » Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:41 pm

This is a very cool build I'm watching everything here. Please post any video of runs on the Dyno and the strip.

Great work TSG team you are right up there.
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Postby zombie » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:45 am

I've been waiting for an update on this. Since we have virtually identical engines I have a basket full of questions... What is the power band rpm?
Do the pipe, and jug work at the same rpm? I really have two zones/bands on my set up. I feel the jug get efficient at about 8k, and my pipe hits around 12k. Did he do ANY port work? I'm still raising ports to increase the jugs rpm into the pipe so I wonder if that is needed on his or if it's on the menu.

For geare he can get Malossi primaries that will give a 15% increase or roughly 8.5:1 final, or the Polini that are 25% or roughly 7.5:1. I also have a set of secondaries from Steve's stash at Moped Hospital. They were cut YEARS ago for af18's but he stated they had no bikes at that time that could run them. I'm sorry I did not count the teeth but in my case I wanted a long distance hi speed set up so they may do no good in a drag bike. The final ratio using both sets is 5.75:1. (oem is 10.1:1) I believe the malossi will add 5-10 mph top without really hurting times. The Polini will add 10-15 mph but he will need more power to keep low times. I hope the info helps.
Wild guess... Ruk Var? I intend to revisit that if my MPH is lower that I want. Which ramp plate did he use?
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Postby Areomyst » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:14 pm

zombie wrote:I've been waiting for an update on this. Since we have virtually identical engines I have a basket full of questions... What is the power band rpm?
Do the pipe, and jug work at the same rpm? I really have two zones/bands on my set up. I feel the jug get efficient at about 8k, and my pipe hits around 12k. Did he do ANY port work? I'm still raising ports to increase the jugs rpm into the pipe so I wonder if that is needed on his or if it's on the menu.

For geare he can get Malossi primaries that will give a 15% increase or roughly 8.5:1 final, or the Polini that are 25% or roughly 7.5:1. I also have a set of secondaries from Steve's stash at Moped Hospital. They were cut YEARS ago for af18's but he stated they had no bikes at that time that could run them. I'm sorry I did not count the teeth but in my case I wanted a long distance hi speed set up so they may do no good in a drag bike. The final ratio using both sets is 5.75:1. (oem is 10.1:1) I believe the malossi will add 5-10 mph top without really hurting times. The Polini will add 10-15 mph but he will need more power to keep low times. I hope the info helps.
Wild guess... Ruk Var? I intend to revisit that if my MPH is lower that I want. Which ramp plate did he use?


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No port work yet to my knowledge. He did clean up the ports as there were some casting boogers, but I think that's about it. I'd have to ask him directly though to be sure. He's the one doing all the work and tuning, not me. I'm not really sure what to say about feeling like there are two powerbands. I don't see how that would work, so naturally it doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps you could try blocking your CVT with a spacer and then very carefully pay attention to the way the bike feels at certain RPM ranges while on the road. You might not be able to get it rolling though, so I don't know. I've never done it that way. Perhaps take it out to that air strip you were talking about before and give it a try? A data logger with accelerometer would probably work okay for getting a better idea of when it's making peak power.

Where would you order your gears from? I'm not sure which ones he's going after, but I believe he found 4 or 5 different ones. For the 1/8 mile I think I do remember Daniel saying that he didn't see anything that was quite what he wanted. Again, I'll have to ask in person.

Yes, it's a Ruckus variator. It uses the Ruckus drive plate/ramp as the stock ones will not work - they're too small.

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Postby zombie » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:00 am

I got my polini/Malossi gears from SPI but in re reading I realized the ZX gears don't fit the Dio case. they are different. I forgoto to take the Pict but they are doing another "official" Speed weekend the 27th of Oct.. Maybe I can get done by then
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